Comments on: Using "we live in a fallen world" as an excuse not to do anything about it.

By: M Palmer

M Palmer — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:13:25 +0000

Further to my post, I've just read a few more comments regarding things 'getting worse'. This seems to me a real non-starter. During my 51 years on the planet, nothing fundamental has changed. In fact as I get older, all that happens is that I re-visit [unwillingly], the various failings and feelings I've had throughout. This seems so much a part of life that something extra to evolution must be at work. One has to live in hope.

By: M Palmer

M Palmer — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:04:44 +0000

I have just come to the hesitating realisation that the 'fallen world' idea could be the greatest consolation for the spiritual and physical nausea I have felt for most of my life. It seems to me, that for humans [and most of the biological world], the competitive and evolutionary aspect of life can be just too overwhelming. No attempts to conventionally theorise – and to compensate for one's [and other's] lack of success in this area ever work. Conventional approaches to religion don't help much; the competition and bitterness is still there throughout. Only surmising that the entirity of creation is in a fallen state would attempt some meaningful explanation for this state. What then of the winners in life? The beautiful? talented? clever? privileged? cool? or more tellingly – the well proportioned, blithe element – who don't have to think too much, but can merely live? Who knows? They can come up with their own explanations for the unfairness of life – should it ever occur to them.

By: angela

angela — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:51:52 +0000

you slayed me with the geese.

By: Rachel

Rachel — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:53:54 +0000

This post made me think of Fiction Family's song Closer Than You Think. I have to admit that hearing people say stuff like oh well, I can't do anything, it's a fallen world TOPS my list of pet peeves.

By: ByronD

ByronD — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:20:21 +0000

Jon, I'd like to read your thoughts on the phrase 'we are all broken'. Is that a related thought or something entirely different? Because I find myself using it, not excuse sin, but to explain it. Is this potentially faulty?

WV: hopyle

what you do once the leaves are raked

By: Ann Burlingham

Ann Burlingham — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:22:23 +0000

Reading history is a great antidote to thinking things are getting worse. Some facets change, but not much of human behavior, especially the tendency to think that "things ain't what they used to be".

By: Helen

Helen — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:58:41 +0000

May I humbly suggest old hymnals scent for your scented candle line…Your part in making this fallen world a better place..

By: Spike

Spike — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:14:41 +0000

Fallen, schmallen. It's our mission field and the missionaries are getting too Americanized. McChurching when we should be re-churching. We're the ones changing, not the world.

By: Kristi

Kristi — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:50:21 +0000

True story.

By: Matthew Rathbun

Matthew Rathbun — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:22:26 +0000

You had me from the title….