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	<title>Comments on: Witnessing to people that don&#8217;t believe in the Bible using the Bible.</title>
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		<title>By: Chelsea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chelsea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God gave us his Word for this very reason.. so please tell me what else can anyone do?</description>
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		<title>By: Alleycat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alleycat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have a Bible verse that proves your point? ;-)  Seriously, Hebrews 6 warns that you can enjoy God&#039;s fellowship and forgiveness, and then leave.  I think that clearly means you can be a &quot;former Christian.&quot;  True, God will treat you as if you never were a believer, but that&#039;s only after you make the decision to no longer follow Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have a Bible verse that proves your point? <img src='http://www.jonacuff.com/stuffchristianslike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Seriously, Hebrews 6 warns that you can enjoy God&#8217;s fellowship and forgiveness, and then leave.  I think that clearly means you can be a &#8220;former Christian.&#8221;  True, God will treat you as if you never were a believer, but that&#8217;s only after you make the decision to no longer follow Him.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also realize that if your opening move is to quote the Bible, people might throw back some of the less flattering verses back at you--all the stuff about genocide, things that fly in the face of science (IE young earth theory), killing people for being gay/adultery/eating shellfish/wearing garments made out of two types of fiber, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also realize that if your opening move is to quote the Bible, people might throw back some of the less flattering verses back at you&#8211;all the stuff about genocide, things that fly in the face of science (IE young earth theory), killing people for being gay/adultery/eating shellfish/wearing garments made out of two types of fiber, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 06:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty sad how many people posted here just to defend the practice of hurling Bible verses at non-believers. 
 
Jon points out that it DOES NOT WORK. Non-believers point out that it DOES NOT WORK. If you start manufacturing reasons in  your mind why it SHOULD work, that is what we call &quot;denying reality&quot;. It&#039;s an accusation that Christians are all too vulnerable to already (just look at the way you treat evolution theory), so when you do it with Bible verses, you are only confirming what every atheist is already inclined to believe: that you can&#039;t think for yourselves and that all you can do is quote out of a book. 
 
Is that really the message you want to send? 
 
I&#039;ve said this many times, and I&#039;ll say it again. If you want an atheist to be impressed with Jesus, then DEMONSTRATE his love instead of TALKING about it. A single truly loving, open, accepting Christian is worth a hundred modern-day Pharisees quoting Scripture at people. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s pretty sad how many people posted here just to defend the practice of hurling Bible verses at non-believers. </p>
<p>Jon points out that it DOES NOT WORK. Non-believers point out that it DOES NOT WORK. If you start manufacturing reasons in  your mind why it SHOULD work, that is what we call &quot;denying reality&quot;. It&#039;s an accusation that Christians are all too vulnerable to already (just look at the way you treat evolution theory), so when you do it with Bible verses, you are only confirming what every atheist is already inclined to believe: that you can&#039;t think for yourselves and that all you can do is quote out of a book. </p>
<p>Is that really the message you want to send? </p>
<p>I&#039;ve said this many times, and I&#039;ll say it again. If you want an atheist to be impressed with Jesus, then DEMONSTRATE his love instead of TALKING about it. A single truly loving, open, accepting Christian is worth a hundred modern-day Pharisees quoting Scripture at people.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 03:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what you&#039;re saying but, I would be REAL careful about thinking that we have some enlightened opinion outside the Word of God that can save men&#039;s souls. We can not save anyone. At least if we use scripture to witness, it&#039;s God&#039;s Word they are rejecting, not ours. That&#039;s why in II Timothy 2:15 it says &quot;Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.&quot; We need to educate ourselves to explain WHY the Bible is infallible and true. There&#039;s thousands of  good historical and scientific arguments to be  made. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what you&#039;re saying but, I would be REAL careful about thinking that we have some enlightened opinion outside the Word of God that can save men&#039;s souls. We can not save anyone. At least if we use scripture to witness, it&#039;s God&#039;s Word they are rejecting, not ours. That&#039;s why in II Timothy 2:15 it says &quot;Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.&quot; We need to educate ourselves to explain WHY the Bible is infallible and true. There&#039;s thousands of  good historical and scientific arguments to be  made.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 03:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No such thing as a &quot;former&quot; Christian. You never were. Sorry, it&#039;s just fact. I hope you reconsider.  </description>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 16:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the comments suggest you never gave Jesus a real change you  are scared and afraid of finding Jesus might be true because you would have to give up your narrow viewpoints about him. I used to be just like you.  When people say nothing in the bible is convincing to people you are only stating not convincing to you.  I had to get out of my limited thinking and open my heart and change my attitude. When I was becoming a doctor we were all told we all came from monkeys or some swap water muck  or evolution , recently I was reading that in a prominent museum where they keep fossil records some students found that the bones which represented a missing link , evolution were actually nothing more that a monkey and man bones stuck together and where they did not fit they used a saw type tool to mesh them. The fossil was fake but the museum told everyone it was real.  One suggestion is open your mind a bit and read, some christian books that come at you with more hard science , one is  EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT,  AUTHOR  JOSH MCDOWEL, a christian book  slanted more towards the scientist or logical mind. For example in the book it states that to have all the fullfilled prophecies MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE ABOUT  Jesus life and his coming and the exact timing and events linked with His and death and resurrection  WHICH ALL HAPPENED  if calculated would be 1 followed by 17 zeros. Another way of thinking about these odds would be to  fill the entire state of texas with silver dollars two feet deep then put a blind man at one end of the state and tell him randomly pick   the one silver dollar you marked with a black ink pen on the first try . These are the actual odds of Jesus and the prophecies he had over hundreds of years before his birth that all came true.  REMEMBER ANY religion INCLUDING  christianity can be dismissed when we have a closed mind  and those who call themselves  christians can be mocked and even judged but again Jesus said they hated me they will also hate you. True faith in a God and the Bible requires to get away from human reasoning and think about how many things we judge from our limited mind , we try to put the infinite God into our puny thinking , We operate in a few dimension and we try to explain everything by our very limited thinking. If God is God  it is reasonable to suggest He operates in perhaps many multiple dimensions and God will still complete what he has to do on the earth with His creation and the nay sayers can not stop it.  For those who are throwing all the stones at the christians , if you have a bible look up Isaiah 55:8 And think about it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the comments suggest you never gave Jesus a real change you  are scared and afraid of finding Jesus might be true because you would have to give up your narrow viewpoints about him. I used to be just like you.  When people say nothing in the bible is convincing to people you are only stating not convincing to you.  I had to get out of my limited thinking and open my heart and change my attitude. When I was becoming a doctor we were all told we all came from monkeys or some swap water muck  or evolution , recently I was reading that in a prominent museum where they keep fossil records some students found that the bones which represented a missing link , evolution were actually nothing more that a monkey and man bones stuck together and where they did not fit they used a saw type tool to mesh them. The fossil was fake but the museum told everyone it was real.  One suggestion is open your mind a bit and read, some christian books that come at you with more hard science , one is  EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT,  AUTHOR  JOSH MCDOWEL, a christian book  slanted more towards the scientist or logical mind. For example in the book it states that to have all the fullfilled prophecies MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE ABOUT  Jesus life and his coming and the exact timing and events linked with His and death and resurrection  WHICH ALL HAPPENED  if calculated would be 1 followed by 17 zeros. Another way of thinking about these odds would be to  fill the entire state of texas with silver dollars two feet deep then put a blind man at one end of the state and tell him randomly pick   the one silver dollar you marked with a black ink pen on the first try . These are the actual odds of Jesus and the prophecies he had over hundreds of years before his birth that all came true.  REMEMBER ANY religion INCLUDING  christianity can be dismissed when we have a closed mind  and those who call themselves  christians can be mocked and even judged but again Jesus said they hated me they will also hate you. True faith in a God and the Bible requires to get away from human reasoning and think about how many things we judge from our limited mind , we try to put the infinite God into our puny thinking , We operate in a few dimension and we try to explain everything by our very limited thinking. If God is God  it is reasonable to suggest He operates in perhaps many multiple dimensions and God will still complete what he has to do on the earth with His creation and the nay sayers can not stop it.  For those who are throwing all the stones at the christians , if you have a bible look up Isaiah 55:8 And think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Nerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Nerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, so true!  It&#039;s not that I am opposed to talking about the Bible with Christians.  Far from it!  Just don&#039;t act like the words have any tug on my heart. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, so true!  It&#039;s not that I am opposed to talking about the Bible with Christians.  Far from it!  Just don&#039;t act like the words have any tug on my heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Psyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest... I see too many so-called Christians who are the scourge of the Earth. Vile disgusting people. To many people claim they believe a faith, but don&#039;t understand the faith. If you are going to claim you are a true follower of a faith? You should have read, digested and understood the bible, it&#039;s related books, and understood it&#039;s philosophical underpinnings. And at the very understand that what you have is nothing more than a BLIND FAITH. That&#039;s what the concept of faith is. Something that you have no tangible reason to believe, but you believe nonetheless. And thus having a conversation with an intelligent rational person is moot. If he doesn&#039;t already believe? He won&#039;t change his mind. Religion is an amusing concept but not a convincing one to someone who has lived in a more practical world. 
 
As for the validity of the bible or any holy book? The leaders of every faith will admit to have edited the holy book. On top of that the Christian bible is made up of ONLY 4 books. You realize that there were originally hundreds... possibly thousands? That each book was an account of things told by 1 person. So do you expect us to believe that only 4 out of the MANY got it right? And on top of that look at how we treat our heroes in history. We wipe clean their humanity, and over exaggerate their accomplishments... making them seem legendary. Jesus was a man... like the rest of us. It sounds like he was a fairly well spoken man with a lot of friends. Are you going to tell me that such a man didn&#039;t enjoy the pleasure of a woman? It&#039;s completely reasonable that he slept with women, had relationships, and even got married. But such a truth would TAINT your faith.. So it must be stricken from the record.  
 
So, all in all? What do we expect? Religion is like the military. It tends to attract people who are emotionally broken, poorly educated, irrational, or too young to REALLY ask questions. You&#039;d have a hard time going into a community of highly educated, rational people who are good citizens, good friends, etc... and convincing them the bible is the TRUE WORD.  
 
To be honest... nothing in the bible is truly convincing to people. We&#039;re social creatures. What convinces us is other people. If the person preaching has a respectable, mature, understanding, worldly appearance, he will draw in people because of who he is, not what he&#039;s saying. No eskimo needs to buy ice, yet if you have the right person do it? He&#039;ll make a fortune. Why? Because people don&#039;t typically concern themselves with the words until AFTER the fact. When people convince others of something? They don&#039;t approach it the way they might have before the fact. They talk to the &quot;non christian&quot; as if he already believes, and perhaps simply lost his way. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest&#8230; I see too many so-called Christians who are the scourge of the Earth. Vile disgusting people. To many people claim they believe a faith, but don&#039;t understand the faith. If you are going to claim you are a true follower of a faith? You should have read, digested and understood the bible, it&#039;s related books, and understood it&#039;s philosophical underpinnings. And at the very understand that what you have is nothing more than a BLIND FAITH. That&#039;s what the concept of faith is. Something that you have no tangible reason to believe, but you believe nonetheless. And thus having a conversation with an intelligent rational person is moot. If he doesn&#039;t already believe? He won&#039;t change his mind. Religion is an amusing concept but not a convincing one to someone who has lived in a more practical world. </p>
<p>As for the validity of the bible or any holy book? The leaders of every faith will admit to have edited the holy book. On top of that the Christian bible is made up of ONLY 4 books. You realize that there were originally hundreds&#8230; possibly thousands? That each book was an account of things told by 1 person. So do you expect us to believe that only 4 out of the MANY got it right? And on top of that look at how we treat our heroes in history. We wipe clean their humanity, and over exaggerate their accomplishments&#8230; making them seem legendary. Jesus was a man&#8230; like the rest of us. It sounds like he was a fairly well spoken man with a lot of friends. Are you going to tell me that such a man didn&#039;t enjoy the pleasure of a woman? It&#039;s completely reasonable that he slept with women, had relationships, and even got married. But such a truth would TAINT your faith.. So it must be stricken from the record.  </p>
<p>So, all in all? What do we expect? Religion is like the military. It tends to attract people who are emotionally broken, poorly educated, irrational, or too young to REALLY ask questions. You&#039;d have a hard time going into a community of highly educated, rational people who are good citizens, good friends, etc&#8230; and convincing them the bible is the TRUE WORD.  </p>
<p>To be honest&#8230; nothing in the bible is truly convincing to people. We&#039;re social creatures. What convinces us is other people. If the person preaching has a respectable, mature, understanding, worldly appearance, he will draw in people because of who he is, not what he&#039;s saying. No eskimo needs to buy ice, yet if you have the right person do it? He&#039;ll make a fortune. Why? Because people don&#039;t typically concern themselves with the words until AFTER the fact. When people convince others of something? They don&#039;t approach it the way they might have before the fact. They talk to the &quot;non christian&quot; as if he already believes, and perhaps simply lost his way.</p>
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		<title>By: AznHisoka</title>
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		<dc:creator>AznHisoka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 03:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, just because you &quot;act&quot; like a Christian, it most likely won&#039;t change non believers mind. We are very logical people. It&#039;s like taking a 5-month African baby, and teaching him NOTHING but Japanese, and then ask others: Do you think this boy is Japanese? He knows how to speak Japanese fluently! Look! LooK! Uh... NO, social conditioning for so many years can make you act a certain way, but it does not make something truth. Teaching an African baby Japanese for 10+ years doesn&#039;t make him Japanese. I&#039;m sorry. 
 
Just because you read something and followed it doesn&#039;t make it true. YES, being kind to your neighbors, and giving, and tolerant, and compassionate, whatever will probably attract others. The PHILOSOPHY could be attractive. But the underlying points such as Jesus was the son of Man, You must baptize or you can&#039;t go to heaven.. those things? Sorry, can&#039;t convince us. Deep down, the philosophy of Christianity is similar to philosophy in other religions and Eastern philosophies.  
 
You can take a baby, and drill him/her the philosophy of being compassionate, caring, giving, respectful etc, and if you compare him/her with a Christian, I&#039;m pretty sure you won&#039;t notice a difference. How do I know? Because I KNOW people who are like that and they aren&#039;t Christians.. Oh, oh, how do you know their hearts? Please, I won&#039;t even answer such a question. 
 
There&#039;s a HUGE hole in Christianity and most religions. 
 
1) There HAS to be a creator, right?! right? right? I mean... who created us?! Nothing?! 
Ok, there has to be a creator. Sure i grant you that. Sure.. but who says that this creator is the Christian God? Who says the Bible was his word? Who says he sent Jesus to Earth to save you? Who says he told u you gotta get baptized? Who says he is always looking after u? Who says he was harsh and tortured some dude named Job? The bible could be fabricated. MADE UP STORIES. 
 
OK OK, but really you tell me... made up stories? Come up, get REAL. That HUGE book? Made up? You kidding me? I got 2 things to counter that: The Koran - that&#039;s a HUGE HUGE book too, why is that false? 
2 - We&#039;re human beings. Humans lie. Humans manipulate. Humans are crooks. We deceive. I can very very very much believe the Bible was fabricated. Very much. It doesn&#039;t even require a 2nd thought. I have NO faith in humans. NONE. Bible = LIE? YEP! I can believe that. and very likely too - let&#039;s see we got unfulfilled prophecies, lots of discrepancies in the books, ambiguous doctrine, events that seem unbelievable, things that seem to stem from past religions before christianity, etc... I believe Christianity is a deception b/c it most likely is... NOT because it&#039;s what I wanna believe (Nice try!) 
 
Shit just happens randomly, folks. No point or purpose or meaning in anything. You believe but deep down you know there is no proof. The Bible is no proof. I understand and respect if Christianity adds value to your life, and gives you inner peace. Keep on believing, but there is no logical reason Christianity is true.  
 
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, just because you &quot;act&quot; like a Christian, it most likely won&#039;t change non believers mind. We are very logical people. It&#039;s like taking a 5-month African baby, and teaching him NOTHING but Japanese, and then ask others: Do you think this boy is Japanese? He knows how to speak Japanese fluently! Look! LooK! Uh&#8230; NO, social conditioning for so many years can make you act a certain way, but it does not make something truth. Teaching an African baby Japanese for 10+ years doesn&#039;t make him Japanese. I&#039;m sorry. </p>
<p>Just because you read something and followed it doesn&#039;t make it true. YES, being kind to your neighbors, and giving, and tolerant, and compassionate, whatever will probably attract others. The PHILOSOPHY could be attractive. But the underlying points such as Jesus was the son of Man, You must baptize or you can&#039;t go to heaven.. those things? Sorry, can&#039;t convince us. Deep down, the philosophy of Christianity is similar to philosophy in other religions and Eastern philosophies.  </p>
<p>You can take a baby, and drill him/her the philosophy of being compassionate, caring, giving, respectful etc, and if you compare him/her with a Christian, I&#039;m pretty sure you won&#039;t notice a difference. How do I know? Because I KNOW people who are like that and they aren&#039;t Christians.. Oh, oh, how do you know their hearts? Please, I won&#039;t even answer such a question. </p>
<p>There&#039;s a HUGE hole in Christianity and most religions. </p>
<p>1) There HAS to be a creator, right?! right? right? I mean&#8230; who created us?! Nothing?!<br />
Ok, there has to be a creator. Sure i grant you that. Sure.. but who says that this creator is the Christian God? Who says the Bible was his word? Who says he sent Jesus to Earth to save you? Who says he told u you gotta get baptized? Who says he is always looking after u? Who says he was harsh and tortured some dude named Job? The bible could be fabricated. MADE UP STORIES. </p>
<p>OK OK, but really you tell me&#8230; made up stories? Come up, get REAL. That HUGE book? Made up? You kidding me? I got 2 things to counter that: The Koran &#8211; that&#039;s a HUGE HUGE book too, why is that false?<br />
2 &#8211; We&#039;re human beings. Humans lie. Humans manipulate. Humans are crooks. We deceive. I can very very very much believe the Bible was fabricated. Very much. It doesn&#039;t even require a 2nd thought. I have NO faith in humans. NONE. Bible = LIE? YEP! I can believe that. and very likely too &#8211; let&#039;s see we got unfulfilled prophecies, lots of discrepancies in the books, ambiguous doctrine, events that seem unbelievable, things that seem to stem from past religions before christianity, etc&#8230; I believe Christianity is a deception b/c it most likely is&#8230; NOT because it&#039;s what I wanna believe (Nice try!) </p>
<p>Shit just happens randomly, folks. No point or purpose or meaning in anything. You believe but deep down you know there is no proof. The Bible is no proof. I understand and respect if Christianity adds value to your life, and gives you inner peace. Keep on believing, but there is no logical reason Christianity is true.</p>
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